The Henu Barque trail: The Hergé - Salvador Dali passage.



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(still collating)

a) Starting at the Painter's Eye
Dali started off with the "Painters Eye" using the idea of the Henu Barque and other works connected to it, Joan Miro's "Figures in the Night Guided by the Phosphorescent Tracks" seemed to be a popular one to use.

See: 1942 a) See: Salvador Dali's "Painter's Eye"

http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/dalis-painters-eye-1942-references-henu.html
Salvador Dali's "Painter's Eye" (1942)

b) Creation of The Unicorn Shipwreck
Hergé referenced this Dali illustration in his Unicorn Shipwreck (1944) along with possibly a Henu Barque depiction from the temple of Ramasses II, and this became another popular work for others to reference at the time.

See: Hergé's Unicorn shipwreck from "The Adventures of Tintin and Red Rackham's Treasure.

http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/shipwreck-from-adventures-of-tintin-and.html


c)  Creation of "Rhinocerontic Figure of Illisus of Phidias"
Dali based integrated "Rhinocerontic Figure of Illisus of Phidias" (1954) into this into another Henu Barque trail composition, as if he took the idea of the Unicorn with its horn and replaced it with the idea of the rhinoceros horn. This painting also absorbed elements from the cover of the Mickey Mouse comic book story "Mickey Mouse on the cave-man island" as well





d)  Creation of the car rally scene
Hergé references Dali's "Rhinocerontic Figure of Illisus of Phidias" in his car rally gathering illustration in Tintin and The Red Sea Sharks (January 1958 ), which I think is also based on the Henu Barque.



e) Creation of "Dionysus Spitting the Complete Image of Cadaqués on the Tip of the Tongue of a Three Storied Gaudinian Woman"
Dali soon with elements from AM Cassandre's "Diversification" poster, integrated parts of the car rally scene into "Dionysus Spitting the Complete Image of Cadaqués on the Tip of the Tongue of a Three Storied Gaudinian Woman"(1958). He transformed Thomson and Thompson into two bunches of grapes while the car door is transformed into an apple. The yellow Volkswagen beetle is transformed into a woman's upper torso with breasts




f) Known meeting 
Somewhere between 1959-1960, it is known that they met at a cocktail party through the director and owner of the famous Brussels advertising agency VANYPECO. (https://tintinomania.com/herge-telegramme-dali) and as admirers of one anothers work, they became friends. This speaks nothing of these long distance interactions that appeared to come up between them in their art.

Dali and Hergé in Brussells in 1962 Souce: https://tintinomania.com

f)  Carnival float from "The Adventures of Tintin and the Picaros"
About fifteen years later, Hergé did an illustration in "The Adventures of Tintin and the Picaros" (September 1975 to April 1976) that in one scene reinterpreted elements of Dali's  "Dionysus Spitting the Complete Image of Cadaqués on the Tip of the Tongue of a Three Storied Gaudinian Woman" painting as a carnival float, but the Henu Barque element didn't seem to be visible in this. Perhaps the streamer trailing from the crown references the tentacle like eyelashes from Dali's "The Painter's Eye" and so the flat topped building references the red box in the background of Dali's piece, well it's almost curious to see flat topped structures in both so that is my thinking. The oranges become the upper mouth of the bear.



The " Portrait of Emilio Terry (Unfinished)" trail

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(Still collating)

http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/portrait-of-mr-emilio-terry-unfinished.html


This painting appears to be an evolution from Salvator Rosa's Temptation of St Anthony (1645) and Max Ernst "The Virgin Spanking the Christ Child before Three Witnesses: Andre Breton, Paul Eluard, and the Painter", along the trail of the Henu Barque. From Max Ernst's painting, a suggestion of this sense of a shadow evolved through Sodoma (1929) by Alberto Savinio and "Acompañamiento sin copado (staccato)"(c. 1928-1930) by Frantisek Kupka, but once it got to Dali, the idea took on a form that sent the shadow in new directions for people to reference over time

However this trail begins before the painting as a portrait was known to have been started. I might wonder then if a important part of the painting had been started before it became repurposed as a portrait of Emilio Terry. If so Sergei Eisenstein and HP Lovecraft would have seen a black and white photo of the the composition in 1931 during the time of the "Newer Super-Realism" exhibition in America in 1931 at the Wadsworth Atheneum. But, if an element of the painting existed before Emilio was added, we haven't seen such an image.

In the second half of the 20th Century of the painting appeared to become referenced in the poster for Land that time forgot poster and its sequel. Appears as if Giger referenced "The land that time forgot"
poster as well in at least one Mordor painting. The Dali painting meanwhile was referenced in "Inhuman Rearing"  by Viktor Safonkin. In the twenty first century, we find the image referenced by Moebius in an illustration and then concept illustrations for Alien Covenant by Stephane Levallois


1426

Resurrection of Christ by Mast Franke

One of the Resurrection of Christ paintings popular during the 15th Century that appeared to reference the Henu Barque in a variety of ways. 

Resurrection of Christ (1426) by Master Franke

1926

1926.a) "The Virgin Spanking the Christ Child before Three Witnesses: Andre Breton, Paul Eluard, and the Painter" by Max Ernst

References? 

  • Resurrection of Christ (1426) by Master Franke. Perhaps there's the idea that Max Ernst decided to reference this painting because it was painted the same year but from different centuries.


1929
Sodoma (1929) by Alberto Savinio

References?
  • "The Virgin Spanking the Christ Child before Three Witnesses: Andre Breton, Paul Eluard, and the Painter" by Max Ernst (1926)
  • "Resurrection of Christ" by Mast Franke (1426)





From around. 1928 - 1930 

"Acompanamiento sincopado (staccato)" by Frantisek Kupka


References?
  • Sodoma (1929) by Alberto Savinio
  • Skat players : Card Playing War Invalids (1920) by Otto Dix




1931

1931. a) "Crucifixion as a bullfight" by Sergei Eisenstein

References? 

  • It's as if Eisenstein found out about the dark sculptural form from Dali's Portrait of Emilo Terry ahead of the time it was turned into a portrait,  perhaps by the same means that HP Lovecraft did, 
  • Eisenstein also appear to realised how Dali's painting tied in with Salvador Rosa's Temptation of St Anthony.
Referenced by?
  • HR Giger would later reference this drawing in a great beast concept painting for Poltergeist 2



1931. b) See: Evolution of Lovecrafts Elder Things / Old Ones

References ?

  • As if Lovecraft himself is being labeled as one of the Henu Barquers, because of an initial sketch he did for his Elder Thing that he crossed out in his letter, and this would also tie in with knowledge of the Henu Barque design to be found on the outside of the Egyptian Theatre cinema in Hollywood. 
  • I suspect that he would have found out about the dark sculptural form in Dali's Portrait of Emilio Terry ahead of time by the same means that Sergei Eisenstein did, which he found inspiring for his ideas but he realised that he had to do something very different for his own creature.


Preliminary sketch for elder thing
Drawn and crossed from notes for At The Mountains of Madness 
(image taken from the notes and crossed out lines removed)

1934

1934. a) See: Portrait of Mr Emilio Terry (unfinished) by Salvador Dali

Perhaps the shadowy sculpture was painted first of all around 1930, before being repurposed as a portrait of Emilio Terry in the following years and finished in 1934.
It has often been dated to 1930 however it is a bit strange to wonder why.
If the shadowy sculpture had been painted, before the composition was to be used as a portrait, then it was made known to various people in America during the time of a surrealist exhibition,

References?
  • The painting appears to reference the Henu Barque
  • Salvator Rosa's Temptation of St Anthony which seems to belong to another trail stemming from something yet to be realised.
  • "The Virgin Spanking the Christ Child before Three Witnesses: Andre Breton, Paul Eluard, and the Painter" by Max Ernst (1926)
  • Then it appears that Dali saw "Sodoma" (1929) by Alberto Savinio because it appeared to reference Max Ernst's painting
  • It also looks as if he saw "Acompanamiento sincopado (staccato)" by Frantisek Kupka which also appeared to reference Savinio's Sodoma which seemed to be from the 1928-1930 time period.


     
Referenced by?
  • HP Lovecraft seems to have referenced the shadowy sculpture in his initial Elder Thing sketch in 1931
  • Sergei Eisenstein seems to have referenced it for his Bullfight as crucifixion drawing in 1931.
  • It looks as if it been referenced in the design of the Excessive Machine in 1968
  • Roland Topor would reference it in an untitled drawing in 1975

http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/portrait-of-mr-emilio-terry-unfinished.html



1975

1975. a) See: Poster for "The Land That Time Forgot" (film released 13th August 1975 )

References?
  • "Portrait of Emilio Terry (unfinished)" by Salvador Dali (1930-34 ?)
  • Cover of "Mickey Mouse and the Pirate Submarine" by Floyd Gottfredson (1939)?
  • "Moon woman cuts the circle" by Jackson Pollock (1944)
http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2018/06/poster-for-land-that-that-time-forgot.html


1975. b)  See: Mordor V (work 281)



References?
  • Poster for "The Land That Time Forgot"
Mordor V by HR Giger

1975. c) See: Mordor VI (work 282)

References?
  • Poster for "The Land That Time Forgot"
  • Numerous other things indeed

Mordor VI by HR Giger


1975. d) Untitled by Roland Topor

References?
  • "Portrait of Emilio Terry (unfinished)" by Salvador Dali
  • "Carnival in the Mountains" by Paul Klee (1924) 
  • Appears to bear similarities to Giger Mordor IV as well, as if Topor as seen Giger's painting.





1977

1977. a) Poster for "The People That Time Forgot"  ( Film released 27 August 1977)

References?
  • "Portrait of Emilio Terry (unfinished)" by Salvador Dali



1999

1999. a) "Inhuman Rearing" by Viktor Safonkin

References?
  • "Portrait of Emilio Terry (unfinished)" by Salvador Dali



2010
 
2010.a) See: Untitled Drawing by Jean Giraud/ Moebius



References?
  • "Portrait of Emilio Terry (unfinished)" by Salvador Dali
 (A thanks goes to Damjan Bojadziev‎ for posting this
image at the Jean Giraud Moebius Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com
)

2016

2016.a) See: Alien Covenant : "Baby Neomorph spine out," concept art (2016) by Stephane Levallois.

References?
  • "Portrait of Emilio Terry (unfinished)" by Salvador Dali
  • Moebius' 2010 unnamed illustration

Baby Neomorph spine out, concept art for Alien Covenant (2016) by Stephane Levallois
2016. b) See: Alien Covenant: Neomorph illustration by Stephane Levallois

References?
  • "Portrait of Emilio Terry (unfinished)" by Salvador Dali


http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/alien-covenant-neomorph-illustration-by.html
Neomorph concept art for Alien Covenant (2016) by Stephane Levallois




Aliens edition of Mad cover illustration and
the NECA Alien Covenant alien?


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a) Here we have the odd design for the alien on the cover of the Mad Magazines Aliens edition which we might all be familiar with, drawn by  Will Elder and Harvey Kurtzman. 




b) Giger had painted versions of the alien where it seemed as if the rim going over the should looked like a tentacle of some sort, and perhaps even there was the possibility of having a tentacle extending from the back in some way rather than pipes , but the iconic Mad Magazine played with deforming the alien in certain ways that appear to have caught the imagination of many.



c) Perhaps some of you might think that something's rather alarming or interesting about the similarity in the way they have elongated back pipes that seem in the movie trailer to be rather bendy and the raised rim going over shoulders appears to have a gap beneath it and the shoulder


c)Perhaps the simplicity about the way the ribbed piping extends along the side of the head is another thought, but less so








Alien Covenant: Unused Adolescent neomorph for David's lab

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Odd Studios: Happy Alien day everyone!! To celebrate, we’ll be posting some never before seen pics from Alien: Covenant 👽💀 This adolescent Neomorph sculpture was to feature in David’s Lab. Unfortunately, what would have been a lovely piece, didn’t find a home in the lab. Sculpture by Andy Hunt @andy_hunt2000 (https://www.facebook.com/oddstudiopl/photos/a.221830154631033/1260593417421363 26th April 2019)

Alien Covenant:
Heading towards Prometheus: Paradise Lost
Dark Angels and the biggest source of Evil

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a) Dark Angels
The connection however being made by Ridley is Milton's Paradise Lost, and in comparison, it was the Engineers who are tall and elegant and are the dark angels as in Paradise Lost.

The dark angels are the guys who look handsome, go to all the best nightclubs, have all the fun and all the girls, and they would be the evil sons of a bitches.

And so there was the other person that Ridley referred to as God and soon simply transformed into the good one who isn't quite as good looking, isn't having all the fun, is kind of dull and depressing or even as boring as hell, and stays home.

So in a funny sort of way, the story would touch on that to the degree of using it as a basis.

It would be too simplistic to call the bad element evil, but it's closer to answering the question, who and why would any being create such a monster as the beast in Alien and for what reason given that there was a reason.

  1. ERIC SPITZNAGEL: I got kind of an Old Testament vibe from Prometheus.           RIDLEY SCOTT: Great. Then I've done my job.
    Eric Spitznagel: So that was intentional?
    Ridley Scott: Oh, yes. I'm really intrigued by those eternal questions of creation and belief and faith. I don't care who you are, it's what we all think about. It's in the back of all our minds.Eric Spitznagel: In the Old Testament, God is kind of an asshole.
    Ridley Scott: Yeah, he was pretty hard on us, wasn't he?
    Eric Spitznagel: Humanity's creators in Prometheus aren't much better. The "Engineers," as they're called, are really prickish and hostile. Are they a metaphor for your feelings about God?
    Ridley Scott: Me, personally?
    Eric Spitznagel: Yeah. Do you believe in a supreme deity who's sadistic and cruel and maybe hates us?
    Ridley Scott: Well, that's not me. That's Paradise Lost.
    Eric Spitznagel: You think Milton got it right?
    Ridley Scott: I don't think so literally, but it seems analogous sometimes. The only guy in Paradise Lost having a good time is that son-of-a-bitch dark angel.
    Eric Spitznagel: My favorite part of Prometheus is when a battered and bloody Noomi Rapace reaches for her crucifix necklace, and the decapitated robot head says to her, "Even after all this, you still believe." In that scene, are you Noomi or the robot head?
    Ridley Scott: That's hard to say. [Long pause] I do despair. That's a heavy word, but picking up a newspaper every day, how can you not despair at what's happening in the world, and how we're represented as human beings? The disappointments and corruption are dismaying at every level. And the biggest source of evil is of course religion.
    Eric Spitznagel: All religions?
    Ridley Scott: Can you think of a good one? A just and kind and tolerant religion?
    ES: Not off the top of my head, no.
    Ridley Scott: Everyone is tearing each other apart in the name of their personal god. And the irony is, by definition, they're probably worshipping the same god. (Ridley Scott on Prometheus - Esquire and www.ericspitznagel.com/  Jun 4, 2012
     Ridley Scott:  They’re going off to paradise but it could be the most savage, horrible place. Who are the Engineers?(http://metro.co.uk/2012/10/10/)
    Ridley Scott:  It (Prometheus) was reaching out to talk about gods and demons and the world that we can never understand - our creation (Empire Magazine, December 2013, p25)  
  2. Yahoo!: And Prometheus 2 will be a continuation of the story?
    Ridley: Of course. Have you ever read Paradise Lost, by Milton? In a funny kind of way, it’s an interesting basis for the darkness of [Prometheus 2]. Where the good-looking guy, who is evil as s–t, gets all the girls and goes to the nightclubs. The other guy, who is not quite as good-looking, is boring as hell and stays home. So in a funny kind of way, we used that as the basis for it, it’ll be Alien: Paradise Lost. Which is very spooky, because it continues after the last one, where Elizabeth Shaw [Noomi Rapace] says, “I wanna go where they came from.” And you’ve got Michael Fassbender in two parts, so she’ll slowly put him back together. They will go to the world of the Engineer. ( 2015-09-29  http://www.scified.com/site/prometheusmovies/shaw-and-david-will-make-it-to-the-engineer-home-world-in-prometheus-2-alien-paradise-lost)
  3. Interviewer: So, is Prometheus a different animal?
    Ridley Scott: Eh, no, actually I'm heading back to introducing why and how and who would make such a monstrous creature and for what reason. So I'm going back to the planet of the engineers, I'm going back to where they came from, as Noomi says in the film, I don't want to go back to where I came from, I want to go back to where they came from, so she heaves the two parts of David's body into the ship and they leave. We'll pick it up literally there. (2 Oct 2015, DP_30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWy6Egvz6Ws)


The Judgment of Adam and Eve: "So Judged He Man"


b) The biggest source of evil
When Ridley picked up a newspaper every day, he could not help but despair at what is happening in the world and how we are represented at human beings.

The disappointments and corruption are dismaying at every level, and the biggest source of evil is of course religion.

Everyone would tearing each other apart in the name of their personal god, and the irony was that by definition they're probably worshipping the same god.

Fall of Rebel Angels by Gustave Doré from Milton's Paradise Lost

Alien: Covenant:
Heading towards Prometheus: Paradise Lost:
Elizabeth Shaw towards Paradise


 
"Satan Exulting over Eve" by William Blake
 
 
 
 
a) The destination is Paradise
 
a.i) Settling for the name Prometheus 2

Ridley wanted this film to be called Paradise but had to settle for Prometheus 2

The destination at the end of the Prometheus movie is Paradise
 
 
a.ii) What's in a name?

For Ridley this became interesting because Paradise can not be what you think it is.

It must has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous to the extent that it could be the most savage horrible place!


 
 
b) A need to get to Paradise
 
b.i) Elizabeth Shaw wanted to go there
 
Noomi knew that Elizabeth Shaw wanted to go to Paradise. 
 
She doesn't want to go back to Earth because  there is nothing back there for her there and of course she wants to know where these giant creatures come from. 
 
So the character thinks that the place would be a sort of a dark paradise. 
 
Elizabeth wants answers. 
 
Meanwhile the actress Noomi herself shared both her curiosity and anger.

 
b.ii) What was in Paradise?
 
As far as it was known, the Alien beast would not be found on Paradise.
 
Noomi Rapace wondered herself if what is waiting there as her new threat might be God or the devil. 
 
However she really didn't know what Ridley was going to come up with or where he was going to take the characters.

  1.  Movies.com:The film asks very big questions about where we come from as a species, and where we go when we die. It’s not possible to deliver concrete answers, but I’m hoping you can tell me how, in the planning stages of the script and story, you came to decide which open-ended, philosophical questions you would at the very least attempt to answer definitively. 
    Ridley Scott: Well, from the very beginning, I was working from a premise that lent itself to a sequel. I really don’t want to meet God in the first one. I want to leave it open to [Noomi Rapace’s character, Dr. Elizabeth Shaw] saying, “I don’t want to go back to where I came from. I want to go where they came from.” 
    Movies.com: So that was always going to be the natural ending for this film?
    Ridley Scott: Totally. And because they’re such aggressive f**kers … and who wouldn’t describe them that way, considering their brilliance in making dreadful devices and weapons that would make our chemical warfare look ridiculous? So I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God. As she says, “This is not what I thought it was going to be, and I think we should get the Hell out of here or there won’t be any place to go back to.
    That’s not necessarily planted in the ground at the tail end of the third act, but I knew that’s kind of where we should go, because if we’ve opened up this door -- which I hope we have because I certainly would like to do another one – I’d love to explore where the hell [Dr Shaw] goes next and what does she do when she gets there, because if it is paradise, paradise can not be what you think it is. Paradise has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous. 
     
    Movies.com: We’re not going to get a slow build in this second film, then. These guys are volatile from the start? 
    Ridley Scott: In a funny kind of way, if you look at the Engineers, they’re tall and elegant … they are dark angels. If you look at [John Milton’s] Paradise Lost, the guys who have the best time in the story are the dark angels, not God. He goes to all the best nightclubs, he’s better looking, and he gets all of the birds. [Laughs]
    Movies.com: So Milton was one of your influences for the Engineers?
    Ridley Scott:  That sounds incredibly pretentiously intellectual. (http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232) Jun 05, 2012)
  2. MTV Interviewer: Ridley Scott has recently said about Prometheus 2, he said there's going to be no xenomorphs in it, you know, the classic aliens are not going to be in Prometheus 2

    Noomi
    : Yuh

    MTV Interviewer: So with that in mind what would you like to see in Prometheus 2 and, and , and what do you think that world's going to be like when you return to it

    Noomi Rapace: Well, erm  I know that Elizabeth Shaw wants to go to Paradise,  you know I say that in the first one , you know, I don't want to go back, I don't want to go, you know, ' cause she can't go to Earth,  there's nothing left for her there really and er, she wants to go where they came from, these giant, these creatures, erm, and and you know,  I think she in her head, that's the dark paradise in a way,  so what's there. you know?  why, I don't know, I think she wants like, answers. she wants to know, erm, and , and that's, I feel like I'm sharing her, erm,  curiosity but also anger.

    MTV Interviewer: Erm, I wonder what the ultimate threat will be with out that alien, you know, without that xenomorph

    Noomi Rapace: Hmm, God maybe... God or The Devil. or I don't know, I don't know what he's coming up with, where he's going to take us, but it's erm, I can't wait to go there. I don't know what we're going to discover. (MTV, Published on Oct 15, 2014)


Alien Covenant:
Heading towards Prometheus : Paradise Lost:
Bioweapons and the engineers

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a) Use of Bioweapons
Ridley imagined that the derelict ship was a battlewagon as he developed his ideas with the making of Alien, and seemed to have the idea that there was some sort of a war, and so this thing was all about destruction. 

And so there was a question back then that one might have asked, who were they fighting with. 

Was this some sort of prehistoric war touched upon by HP Lovecraft in his novels? 

The derelict however was piloted by something referred to by the production crew as The Space Jockey, not at the time thought to be a tall humanoid in a suit as seen in Prometheus, but they would represent the same entities as least.

The Engineer

b) The Engineers

Ridley thought about Prometheus opening up possibilities for sequels like Alien, however this had gone in a different direction that Alien.


He found that God in the Old Testament was someone who could be very harsh on the human race.

This was a story about creation and then destruction, with the idea that if you realise that you've created something and it was wrong, you want to generally wipe it out and start all over again, as if wiping the slate clean.

There was the line where Shaw says to Fassbender. "Where they're going?"

He replies "Earth", she asks "Why" and he replies "well, sometimes to create, you must first destroy"

And this line came from Joseph Stalin, once a leader of the Soviet Union until 1953, and during a period from around 1936 to 1939, led a massive purge (known as "Great Purge") of the party, government, armed forces , intelligentsia and so on, and the dead numbered in their millions, and with that one is moving into a story of epic proportions.
 
In Prometheus, Ridley introduced us to the Engineers as an aggressive race,  and expected the audience to consider their brilliance in making dreadful devices and weapons that would make our chemical warfare look ridiculous.

So far in the Alien films there is the egg and in Prometheus there are the urns full of the strange black substance to consider.

Perhaps there is an off world situation where these Engineers lay seed to planets and planetoids, and this is their self given role within the context of their own version of the universe, perhaps like gardeners of the universe.

The engineer that we discover in Prometheus although possibly a godlike being in the movie is certainly not God.

The planet turns out to be a place considerably dangerous enough for Dr Shaw to realise that it was a mistake to go there after all, but once she finds out that these Engineers can still be alive and come from somewhere that can be reached, she wants to go on to find out where they come from.

There is the question about whether or not they are gods, and if they are not gods then perhaps they are just simply us as the human race.

But where does the buck stopped, who made them and what is the grand plan, what is it that everything is contained within.

There would be further ways to evolve the story and here Evolution was a key word for Ridley.

In terms of this, even Stephen Hawkings admitted that he thought that there might be other forms of life out there and hopefully they wouldn't visit because they wouldn't be nice.


Gustave Doré's Lucifer for Milton's Paradise Lost


c) See: Alien Covenant: Heading towards Prometheus: Paradise Lost: Impossibility of existence leading to Kubrickian Questions, leading to the hunt for the big boy
  1. Collider I’m one of the people who really enjoyed Prometheus and I believe you are making a sequel
    Ridley Scott: Yes we are

    Collider : I’m just curious if you can talk a bit about it. What’s your goal with the sequel and when are you filming?
    Ridley Scott:  You’ve got to follow through, I mean it, It starts off, Prometheus was a very grand idea—or grand question, really of who are they and why did they create such evil biology or bacteriology? Um, to protect themselves from what? And so it's a part of that, the questions are answered there, or beginning to become answered in Prometheus 2. (http://collider.com/prometheus-2-story-revealed-by-ridley-scott/
    , September 16, 2015)
  2. Interviewer: Your next film is a sequel to “Prometheus.”
    Ridley Scott:
    Yeah. Well, really it’s “Alien.” They’re going to go to the planet where the engineers came from, and come across the evolving creature that they had made. Why did they make it? Why would they make such a terrifying beast? It felt bio-mechanoid, it felt like a weapon. And so the movie will explain that, and reintroduce the alien back into it.
    There was always this discussion: Is Alien, the character, the beast, played out or not? We’ll have them all: egg, face-hugger, chest-burster, then the big boy. I think maybe we can go another round or two.
    Interviewer: When you were making the first “Alien,” did you think there was more to explore with that creature?
    Ridley Scott: Yeah, definitely. I knew we had done something special. I mean, I knew it as soon as I met with [painter, illustrator and creature designer] H.R. Giger. He was an artist in every sense of the word, but very businesslike. There was no rock ‘n’ roll — well, there was quietly, but he never brought it to the set. And I knew I had something special with this creature that he designed. Without that creature, the film wouldn’t have been the same. (http://www.thewrap.com/ 11th December 2015)

Alien Covenant: Heading towards Prometheus: Paradise Lost: Impossibility of existence leading to Kubrickian Questions, leading to the hunt for the big boy

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a) Impossibility of existence

Ridley didn't think we were here by accident. He found it hard to believe how life could exist, because the molecular miracles that would have to occur were in the trillions, since the first sign of human life that crawled out of the mud with the four fingers, would be impossible, unless there was some sort of guidance system.

With that, there was the sun approximately the same distance from Earth as it for maybe millions of other planets and planetoids that are almost identical in distance and therefore enjoy the value or sunlight on their sold.

Could one tell Ridley that there are no other planets with human life. He simply didn't believe it.

b) Kubrickian Questions

So there was a question being raised for him, it was the same as was depicted in 2001 when the monolith lands in Ethiopia and the ape that had been grubbing around in the water hole with all of them bickering at each other, goes up and touches it.

He then has a bigger thought injected into his brain that Isaac Newton had when he sat under a tree and watched and apple fall.

Kubrick then picked something metaphorically poetic in its violence, as the ape picks up a hip bone and brains the tapir so that can eat him.

This was one gigantic, magnificent leap of a thousand years of evolution, it was where the would begin, and it was a great thinking, and this is what Ridley wanted to explore.

So Ridley thought that one had to go back, find those engineers and see what they were thinking.

c) Hunt for the big boy

He was asking If the engineers were the forerunners of the human race on Earth, therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function, then who created them and where was this being, the big boy?

Or should we think this was all an accident?

Ridley didn't have an answer and noted that even Stephen Hawking was saying "I am not sure" and no longer believed in the big bang.

  1. Ridley Scott: Because this will set up definitely a sequel and then another sequel, and then it depends on how clever you are, if you want to keep going, because we've gone off in a different direction which is about creation, right, and this is about creation and then destruction, if you realise you've done something , what you've, whatever you've created is wrong, you want to kind of wipe it out and start again, wipe the slate clean. So that line of Fassbender, where she says , where..."where they're going", he says "earth", "why" , and he says, I maybe misquoting this, but he says , "well sometimes to create, you first must destroy", You know whose line that was? Joe Stalin. So Stalin has a series of quotations which are like absolutely gob smacking frightening, when you think in those terms, how many, how many people did Stalin in sixty nine/six to nine? (Stalin carried out a great purge from around 1936-1939)  ,  without even thinking about it, so you're moving it to that kind of epic proportions of saying if there is an off world situation where they do lay seed to planets and planetoids, and that's their role, that's their self given role within the context of their own universe or their own span, like gardeners of the universe, are they gods or are they not. if they're not gods, they're simply us, then where does the buck stop, who made them , right, and why, what's the grand plan, what's the bucket that everything's in, you know, and so that, you can go on evolving, and I think even Hawkins of this juncture has admitted that he thinks that there may be other forms, life forms out there and he said, he said hopefully they won't visit, they won't be nice, yeah. Well, if they're that smart, they're not going to be particularly nice are they.(Prometheus director commentary)
  2. DEADLINE: Where do you take the Prometheus 2 plot?
    SCOTT: You can either say, leave the first film alone and jump ahead, but you can’t because it ends on too specific a plot sentence as she says, I want to go where they came from, I don’t want to go back to where I came from. I thought the subtext of that film was a bit florid and grandiose, but it asks a good question: who created us? I don’t think we are here by accident. I find it otherwise hard to believe you and I are sitting here at this table, because the molecular miracles that would have had to occur were in the trillions, since the first sign of human life that crawled out of the mud with four fingers, would bloody well be impossible, unless there was some guidance system. Also, you have the sun approximately the same distance from earth as it is from maybe millions of planets and planetoids that are almost identical distance and therefore enjoy the value of sunlight on their soil. Are you telling me there are no other planets with human life? I simply don’t believe it.
    That raises the question to me, same as was depicted in 2001 when that object comes hurtling through space, and lands in Ethiopia. And an ape that had been grubbing around in the water hole with all of them bickering at each other, goes up and touches it. He has a bigger thought injected into his brain than Newton got sitting under a tree and seeing an apple fall. Stanley then picks something metaphorically poetic in its violence, as the ape picks up a hip bone and brains the anteater so they can eat him. That is one gigantic, magnificent leap of a thousand years of evolution; that is where the world begins. It is pretty grand thinking, and that’s what I want to explore. You’ve got to go back and find those engineers and see what they are thinking. If engineers are the forerunners of us, and therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function, who created that? Where’s the big boy? You think this was all an accident? I don’t know. Even Stephen Hawking now says, I am not sure. He no longer believes in the big bang. (http://deadline.com/2015/09/ridley-scott-the-martian-star-wars-2001-alien-blade-runner-prometheus-toronto-film-festival-1201522484/
  3. Ridley Scott: Prometheus 1 was an attempt to resurrect and reinvigorate the alien character. I felt it was a little worn out and so we started on a brand new path, imagining many years before Alien 1 and discovering these creatures which are called Engineers which are superior to us. Are they gods, not really and therefore it raises a bigger question, well, who is God, who made them. So it, I'm trying to layer this cake into a much bigger larger question than a monster in a tin can killing people. Even though it was formidable, we've got to go bigger than that, okay. So, Prometheus started the ball rolling and we had the Deacon at the end which was the forerunner of the alien. We are now picking up upon what will be called Alien: Paradise Lost. The script's done, I'm starting the film in February which is the, this alien pre-pre-prequel. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTnKXfDyNVU&feature=youtu.be) Sky Cinema Published on 26 Sep 2015 

Illustration for Paradise Lost by William Blake